I guess there are some people that it will offend. Did you go to the URL that Betsy gave on the thread below Danny? I just wondered if you read Jude's story and if you were moved by it at all. What really saddened me the most was that he was not only robbed of his sexual parts (I mean they removed his gonads to just send them away for analysis which to me is just plain barbaric) because they didn't look right, but his parents were robbed of the right to bring him up as their son too. To look at the most of the photos, he so obviously looks like a handsome young man. Also, even though his parents and doctors had decided to hide the details of the surgery performed to make him a girl, he did eventually manage to find the records and knew what had been done to him. Can anyone imagine how he must have felt? It just seems so sad that they couldn't have left him alone until his teenage years when it was so obvious that that was the only time that they would have been able to determine his feelings on the matter or what his body wanted to be pubertally. Is being lumped with other children that are born with other anomolies that affect their genitalia so devastatingly really that offensive to people who have daughters with cah born masculinized? Unfortunately not anyone of us as parents can foretell how our daughters will feel or think in 20-30 years time about these matters or what they will prefer themselves to be labelled. First it was hermaphrodites, then now Intersex. I mean how many words do we have to "try on" and discard before ALL of us agree? We never will I don't think. Pebbles