and I feel that the post from Ms Impatient possibly was just a humorous twist on that. By posting as Ms Impatient, she has already warned us of her position, so I do not know how you could misconstrue that as sarcasm myself. It was actually as I read it in total agreement with what Kaye was saying wasn't it? Val PS: The IP at the bottom may be a clue as to who it was posting maybe?